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    G######ings,

    Could someone explain the new tabs in the beta version. I can't remember the name now. But I guess you know what I talk about.

    Any answear is appreciated

    Ed1t: How to display models of weapons, and etc.?

    Ed2t: Why the f**k can't I write g-r-ee-t-ings?

    Ed3t: No meaning to use the word f**k.
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    Posted by: Nordoelum on Mar 16 2006, 10:01 AM
    G######ings,

    Could someone explain the new tabs in the beta version. I can't remember the name now. But I guess you know what I talk about.

    Any answear is appreciated
    Well they're pretty straightfoward to use. Post Auctions you just put the item in the top-left box and it will show you the competing auctions in a list to the right. You can edit the posting price accordingly. THe Search Auctions is just as easy, just select Bids (/auctioneer bidbroker), Buyouts (/auctioneer broker) or Competing (/auctioneer compete) and it will show you profitable auctions in a list to the right. You can bid or buyout auctions from there.
    Posted by: Nordoelum on Mar 16 2006, 10:01 AM
    Ed1t: How to display models of weapons, and etc.?
    You don't. That functionallity was removed in 3.1 to save memory space and because Wardrobe (default Blizzard function) is a lot better.
    Posted by: Nordoelum on Mar 16 2006, 10:01 AM
    Ed2t: Why the f**k can't I write g-r-ee-t-ings?
    Because letters in Greetings are part of a banned (by us) website that we don't want linked.
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    Thanks for the reply Much appreciated!
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    Hello!
    I've been trying to get the "Search Auctions" tab to work, but I don't understand.
    If I put in Bid, Minimum Profit 1, and minimium percent 1 it should at least show up something, no?
    Whatever I fill in, anywhere, nothing will show up
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    Posted by: ardesjo on May 12 2006, 08:05 PM
    Hello!
    I've been trying to get the "Search Auctions" tab to work, but I don't understand.
    If I put in Bid, Minimum Profit 1, and minimium percent 1 it should at least show up something, no?
    Whatever I fill in, anywhere, nothing will show up

    Not the right forum mate .
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    Well what is the correct forum because it is a good question? I have fooled with that tab till the "cows come home" and not a damn thing shows up! While this is a great mod the documentation overall leaves a lot to be desired. If it cannot be used to its full potential because of lack of understandable instructions its value is diminished to nothing but a big database. Instead of a curt reply how about something of value that answers the question such as a few specific examples of use. It would be appreciated.
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    Posted by: Kolakhan on May 18 2006, 06:47 PM
    Well what is the correct forum because it is a good question? I have fooled with that tab till the "cows come home" and not a damn thing shows up! While this is a great mod the documentation overall leaves a lot to be desired. If it cannot be used to its full potential because of lack of understandable instructions its value is diminished to nothing but a big database. Instead of a curt reply how about something of value that answers the question such as a few specific examples of use. It would be appreciated.

    Well, lets put it this way. We here in the Auctioneer AddOns team are kinda allergic to writing documentation of any sort. If you want to write some documentation and post it, I would be glad to sticky it. Otherwhise, we're all way too busy with improving Auctioneer et al, to write documentation at this moment.

    PS: The correct forum for support questions is the support forum *gasp*.
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    Posted by: MentalPower on May 19 2006, 12:53 AM
    Well, lets put it this way. We here in the Auctioneer AddOns team are kinda allergic to writing documentation of any sort. If you want to write some documentation and post it, I would be glad to sticky it. Otherwhise, we're all way too busy with improving Auctioneer et al, to write documentation at this moment.

    PS: The correct forum for support questions is the support forum *gasp*.

    I just have to shake my head at this attitude. I've been using auctioneer for a while now and just love it, but I'll bet I'm just using about 10-20% of its capability. Now that I've downloaded the latest version, there are new commands and new tabs in the AH window. Now I'm not a wiz-bang programmer, so all the functionality of these new features isn't intuitive. And apparently it isn't intuitive to everyone else either as I just had someone ask me in-game what the heck these new tabs do (which is how I figured out there was a new version avaialble!)

    So now when you guys DOUBLE the capability of Auctioneer, my usage of capability will be down to 5-10% right? Because you're too busy to tell anyone what the heck you're doing?

    And you want ME to write your documentation?!?! If I knew enough to write the documentation, I probably wouldn't be on this forum looking for documentation. I know you must be kidding about that, so just stop it!

    Yes, I know, you guys are putting out a free product so you can tell everyone that has a complaint (or maybe just me) to f*** off and it dosn' affect your profit one bit. Yes, I realize I have zero leverage to try to adjust your attitude, and yes, I realize that I'm "getting my money's worth" (no matter how good or bad your product is). But let me tell you this: don't quit your day job. Or at least don't start anything based on this business model; you probably won't keep too many customers.

    OK, enough of being a smartass. Seriously, you know why Leif Ericksson isn't the acknowledged discoverer of America? Because he didn't document it! If you're going to put all this effort into a great product, you REALLY REALLY need to put a little (as in teeny weeny) time into documentation. You have a list of commands here on the sight that's out of date. That's been out of date for months. I KNOW you have an up-to-date list because it's in the AddOn. Can't you put that list on your site? In the command list in the AddOn, there are several new "AskPrice" commands (for example). What are those for? If I know that, the syntax would make much more sense.

    And the tabs: from your post above, I can assume the Post Auction tab is replacement for the regular "Auctions" tab? It allows you to put items on the AH and make better use of Auctioneer capabilities, right? And what's the "Transactions" tab for. How to use it might be immediately obvious (to me) if you took 30, maybe 40, seconds to put a couple of lines in the ReadMe that says what it's there for. That's all, just a few lines, not a manual.

    Well, anyway guys, thanks for a great product. I only wish I could use more of it.

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    you'd be surprised, most "day job" programmers hate documentation just as much as the volunteers here. In fact, I'd guess some of them are day job programmers.

    In any event, I'll just disregard your smart-assedness, and restate that the documentation will be updated/written whenever someone (dev or not) feels motivated to write some.

    If you are looking for help in the meantime, please read the other auctioneer forums. I personally have explained the use of the search and transaction tabs there a number of times already to people who have managed to ask politely for assistance. I'll bet I've done the same for the post tab, though i cannot specifically remember doing so.
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    Posted by: dinesh on Aug 8 2006, 02:35 PMIn any event, I'll just disregard your smart-assedness, and restate that the documentation will be updated/written whenever someone (dev or not) feels motivated to write some.


    I also came to this site looking for a bit of information. I really don't understand you guys. Why create such a helpful and cool piece of code at all if your not gonna tell people how to use it? doesn't that sorta defeat the effort?

    and just to give you a end user viewpoint, making us searching through massage boards filled with gunk trying to figure out who is official and reading tons of posts that end up having noting to do with the simple question you had is like telling your users "we hate you" It is a very frustrating and annoying thing.

    I have figured most of Auctioneer out but one page of simple instructions would have saved me a great deal of time. I greatly appreciate your work and I hope you don't take this post as a slam. I would love to see you continue and will cheer as you do it... and here is to hoping you get over your allergies.


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    Posted by: Auctioneer User on Aug 13 2006, 05:47 PM
    I really don't understand you guys. Why create such a helpful and cool piece of code at all if your not gonna tell people how to use it? doesn't that sorta defeat the effort?

    let me speak only for myself, here, for the record.

    it is because there is only so much time in the day. it is not that we hate users, or that we like it when people are confused. far from it (i hope obviously).

    it is that we like to write cool code that is useful and does neat things. that is the purpose. it is great that other people find it useful. that may even be a lesser purpose. but there is only so much time in the day.

    some people may enjoy writing documentation, but i generally don't. some days i feel like writing up documentation. when that happens, i do. note the FAQ in the support forum, for example.

    but writing up documentation is not easy or fast. writing up good documentation is even less so. by all means, help out. write up your own useful advise, and I will sticky it. you said you've got it figured out now (no thanks to us). why not write up some documentation, then, if it is so easy?

    once again, the lack of documentation is not because we're mean, or awful, or like to see you sweat. it's because it's hard work, and no one wants to do it. feel free to jump in and lend an oar.
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    Posted by: dinesh on Aug 13 2006, 11:28 PM
    but writing up documentation is not easy or fast. writing up good documentation is even less so. by all means, help out. write up your own useful advise, and I will sticky it. you said you've got it figured out now (no thanks to us). why not write up some documentation, then, if it is so easy?


    Because I have it figured out to just the point where I have a basic understanding of most of the functions... I am by far NOT the expert. I assume a guide by me would be full of half truths and missed features.

    I am sorry if you take offense, I never said it was an easy thing to do... I just implied it was important.

    Here is one point I will give you, as users and fans of this free piece of software maybe there should be someone out there willing to lend a hand and fully document it... however it puts us at a strange ethical impasse, If someone has spent a large amount of time learning about Auctioneer they have an advantage in competing with others on there server that have not spent the time to figure out the search auctions tab for example. What in the world would motivate them to spend a good amount of time making a clear and concise manual that would allow others to know what they know? If you are relying on users to do this then you may have a bit of a wait. heh

    I am not talking about myself mind you. I tend to be helpful if I can. I just honestly don't feel I am the correct person to do it. I am actually pretty new to using the mod as in the past I had bad problems with it and standardized on other solutions. I came back to it just recently and it seems to be working great now but I'm a noob... hence why I came here looking for documentation.

    Perhaps after using it for a few weeks I will give putting together a concise guide a shot. I will consider it seriously.

    Thanks again for a great tool.
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    don't worry, i'm not offended.

    but when folks come here and say things like:

    "don't quit your day job"
    "how to use it might be immediately obvious (to me) if you took 30, maybe 40, seconds to put a couple of lines in the ReadMe that says what it's there for"
    "it is like telling your users 'we hate you' - it is a very frustrating and annoying thing"

    ... then I feel compelled to explain the reasons why it is not 30-40 seconds of work, and that asking, or even demanding, this stuff is actually sorta like slapping us in the face for not doing enough for you.

    By all means, politely tell us how much you want or need this stuff, and it may help bump up the priority. Insulting us, though, is not the way to go.

    as for the ethical impasse - there are certainly folks who would rather keep things to themselves. i suppose that's their business. obviously, the folks contributing here are not people of that character.
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      CommentAuthorNorganna
    • CommentTimeAug 18th 2006
     
    Ok, the thing is this project is just a bunch of people contributing their time and effort to make a useful addon. There is a big gap in the documentation. The thing is that even though the project has a heap of people who want to code, it has nobody who wants to document.

    Can you help in this endeavour? Sure you can. Ask us questions, then when you find out something useful, put it up on the documentation wiki.

    We will gladly answer your questions, especially if we know you will do up some documentation. Doing documentation is very tricky. It requires detailed explanation of key concepts, well laid out reasoning processes and in-depth examination of things that the programmers already know.

    Often it's hard to know what other people don't know especially if you do know it. That's why the best people to write this documentation are you, the people who know what you don't know.

    Go on, head over to the wiki at http://norganna.org/wiki and start putting some docs together. It's dead easy to start, and I guarantee that we will answer all your questions, no matter how small it is. Just let us know it's for the documentation project, and we'll be as helpful as we can be.

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