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    Example:
    I scan the ah via Auctioneer and there is a large glowing Shard for 99g. The concequence now is that in Enchantrix ALL items which might be disenchanted into this Shard have a harsh disenchant value.

    Question:
    Is there any way to exclude those auctions with those stupid buyout prices?

    Ps: Please excuse my bad English i'am from Germany
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    Continue to scan the AH.

    A single 99g entry should not be enough to throw off your statistics. In fact, given a sufficiently voluminous market (which I have to imagine LGS's are), it should be getting discarded by the IQR check.
    • CommentAuthorOnyx
    • CommentTimeOct 6th 2006
     
    I'm running into the same problem which is VERY annoying when you are starting a new database. It basically cripples the whole system.

    Since you have the fixed Base values for all shards/dusts/essences as obtained from Allakhazam, couldn't you just discard these crazy values right from the start? Something like: if BO > Base value * ridiculous percentage then discard. That would get rid of most of this crap. You could even average out the Base Value and HSP or something to adjust for current market trends. Over time these spikes will of course be easier to detect as being unrealistically far off the Median and then discarded, which is probably the IQR check you mention?

    BTW, I tried using /auctioneer clear [crazy prized essence] which works fine... but the values are still being used by enchantrix after that. Also using 3.8.0 I find that /enchantrix clear all does nothing. All the crazy DE values are still being shown.

    To end on a positive note: I'd like to compliment you on making and maintaining one of the best addons around!

    Thanks,

    Onyx.
    • CommentAuthorbracula
    • CommentTimeOct 11th 2006
     
    Same problem over here. Some people at my server make sure at any given time multiple auctions of every kind of shard /essence with a BO of 99G exists. So in every scan this price is added and this results in absurd prices. Seen those essences between 500 and 800 times.
    • CommentAuthorLukerius
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2006
     
    I have been fighting the same issue. On my server, I think there are a lot of people DEing items and then pricing one item (especially enchanter reagents) in each category at an exaggerated price. It doesn't cost them anything to list reagents, so they can keep them up in the AH indefinately. This affects Barker too, so a broadcast goes out with ridiculously high enchant costs. I am sure they do this to torpedo people that are using Auctioneer/Enchantrix/Barker by artificially inflating prices, as well as creating uncertainty in the accuracy of automated pricing mods. At first, I considered that maybe it was just greedy people hoping for that stray click, but lately, the starting prices have been very exaggerated also. I have noticed an increasing number of items in the AH being priced this way. I know there is probably no quick solution to this problem, I am just confirming that there are others with this issue and hoping it will be considered in the future mods. I will try using the auctioneer clear [item] method on selected items, but this will not cure everything. Like Onyx, I would like to compliment you guys on an awesome suite of mods and the Wiki documentation was a great idea. I can't imagine trying to level an enchanter without them. Thanks, Luke
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeNov 19th 2006
     
    The only advise I can give you is start an enchanter yourself and start fighting the peeps that want to disrupt Auctioneer by selling way above the market by selling on or below market.
    (Ok I have to say that I'm on a server where there is no peep trying to influence Auctioneer (or if they are, there are to many Auctioneer users, who correct them))
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      CommentAuthorxgravix
    • CommentTimeNov 24th 2006 edited
     
    The problem here is that Enchantrix's Median and HSP calculations implicitly trust auctions that have _no deposit fee_. This is a huge mistake, quite analogous to taking your real-world stock buying advice directly from your spam e-mail pump 'n dump scams. These values are painfully easy to manipulate and myself and others do it frequently. (If you can't beat them, join them.)

    Thankfully there is an easy solution to the problem: simply provide Enchantrix with accurate values yourself. Open the EnxConstants.lua file from the distribution; the first thing you will see after the header is a table called "const.StaticPrices" with comments indicating which price relates to which commodity. Change these values to be accurate for your server, save the file, and then reload your ui. Voila, now your "Baseline price" reflects reality. You can get these values from Beancounter; I'd recommend choosing price at which you have moved a large quantity of that commodity at pretty consistently. (For my own personal use I've implemented a range of values here, based on the fluctuations I see in sell prices. This makes it easier to make informed purchasing rules.)

    As a final optional (but highly recommended) step, disable the display of HSP and Median in the enchantrix tooltips so you aren't distracted by them. You can do this from "/enchantrix".

    Part of me hopes some serious changes are implemented in the next Enchantrix so it will be a better addon, and part of me hopes they aren't so I can continue making lots of money through disenchanting. In my opinion there should be three values listed: Baseline (same as now), User-specified (lets the user specify a value for each commodity), and Beancounter (sell prices averaged from beancounter). The beancounter data will be especially useful for this purpose since it can't be manipulated by anyone else, and should be highly accurate for high-volume sellers.

    In fact, auctioneer as a whole could benefit from using the beancounter data.
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2006
     
    excellent ideas, xgravix. and suggestions too, I think I will make them myself right now.
    • CommentAuthorElGuapo
    • CommentTimeNov 27th 2006
     
    I think Xgravix just had a brainstorm. Why not use Beancounter to track median values of actual sales you've made? Tracking your own sale prices would be better than just the buyouts (which may or may not have sold).
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