The way BottomScanner comes out of the install does not yield good results due to the default baserule. The servers are so different from one another that a global average price does not work. I believe it's the 'consprice' - conservative?

I would suggest to have the default baserule be based on Auctioneer data so that it works well "out of the box", no matter the server. If a user needed to use the price bases that come with BottomScanner, that should be an option.

The way it comes now is rather sophisticated for an average WoW player in my opinion. Perhaps that's intentional.

no, the default baserule uses the cross-server average as its base. To work "out of the box" we have to assume that the user is installing it for the first time, so they may also be using auctioneer for the first time, in which case there is no auctioneer pricing. Additionally, if I am not mistaken, we were concerned about new users getting taken by scam pricing (though I admit this was more important for BF than it is not for BTM, since you have to manually accept each purchase suggestion now).

I see. Makes a lot of sense for new users.

I still suggest something needs to be changed. Perhaps check the size of the SV file and if it's a small one use the 'safe' rule - although that rule is very restrictive on new servers with high prices. Upon release of an Auctioneer package with BottomScanner, a lot of the younger and less tech savvy players would consider BottomScanner a lesser tool compared to Auctioneer (and stop using it) - when it's actually superior.

BottomScanner is very complex and that Baserule page at Wiki is quite intimidating for non programmers.

Sooo... how do you use Auctioneer data with btm then?
The wiki seems to be lacking information... it just says "if you have auctioneer installer, it will work with it" or something to that effect.

I only suggested seperating it to keep the less tech savvy people from seeing it and avoid the THOUSANDS of support posts I foresee.

Okay, maybe not thousands.

I will add a trac suggestion ticket. Thanks.

Posted By: Gersh

Posted By: whitezeroSooo... how do you use Auctioneer data with btm then?
The wiki seems to be lacking information... it just says "if you have auctioneer installer, it will work with it" or something to that effect.

^ ExampleI have answered this twice in the last day.

whitezero, try the third example Baserule, on the below page, to use your own Auctioneer data.

http://norganna.org/wiki/BottomScanner/BaseRule

Good stuff! I read over the longer script at the bottom and it seems to make sence, so I'll just use that one. Awesome.

Maybe there should be a note about that example in the btmscanner About page
http://norganna.org/wiki/BottomScanner/About

:D

Thanks again for the tip.

Gersh: This is correct. I want to make a publically available tool. But one as powerful as this one should *not* work well out of the box.
Also there is a concern about people getting scammed (although less now than with BF), but still I want it to make relatively "safe" suggestions. The kind that it *should* recommend out of the box are the "OMFG!!! You'd have to be a moron to NOT buy this VERY F*CKING CHEAP item" type purchases.

Anything else requires you to put in your own baserule (we have some very good generic ones that work quite well, but still not the best that you could do) that take into account server-specific prices a lot better, and tweak your settings.

This is so that:
a) I don't get whingers who just downloaded it in a compilation or something and say stuff like: "Auctioneer suggested I buy a stack of runecloth for 45G, when it had a resale value of 99G. Now I can't resell it! Hlep mees!"
b) I actually stand a chance of making some cash when every other fat-rat standing around the Ner'zhul AH is doing exactly the same thing as me, and the only thing that seperates me from them is my brain.

Well, it isn't bundled with Auctioneer. It's bundled with the "Complete" package. It would hardly be "Complete" if it was "Missing Stuff".... I'd have to call it "Auctioneer Mostly Complete" or "Auctioneer Missing Some Stuff"

Posted By: Gershwhitezero, try the third example Baserule, on the below page, to use your own Auctioneer data.http://norganna.org/wiki/BottomScanner/BaseRule

Since the consPrice value is static and provided with the installation, what happens if a new item is discovered? Is the value for consPrice set at 0? If so I need to figure out a way to work around that in my baserule formulas

Posted By: Gersh
Did you read any of that page? If so, read more.

Well... after reading this remark I reread that Wiki-page twice, but it doesn't say anything about consPrice and what's done with new items (which is the case with loads of TBC items). Actually I had to find out that consPrice is the multi-server value as listed on allakhazam by reading these forums, so with respect: shalafimt's question seems to be legitimate. Unless you mean the fact that that particular example doesn't use consPrice?

Anyway, that would hook in to a post by Dinesh warning us about issues with consPrice and the other cons* variables. So I guess rewriting your baserule to either accounts for unknown items (consPrice = 0?), or not to use any cons* variables at all is the way to go.

On another note: the thread about baserules and settings is not filling up very quickly. Are people deliberatly keeping their killer-rules secret to avoid competition? I'll post my baserule as soon as I've figured out a nice one... atm I'm using the last (extended) example on the Wiki page.

Onyx.