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    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2007 edited
     
    Since you perhaps are going to implement removing nodes (via name of the "sharer", via Alt-click...) could you perhaps implement 2 Features:

    Removing a node from your database sends an addonmessage to your guild + party to remove their node too and stores the location of that node in your "removelist" (perhaps limited shareable? not all my guildies are always online - some kind of "report-list" and right clicking on one note sends a new "remove node xy" addonmessage) to prevent some kind of "wipe-all" addon - you can always klick on "undo" to readd the node to your Database as well as wipe the whole remove-database to clear up some space.

    I'd suggest it looks something like this:
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Gatherer Report Ignored Nodes: 0
    Zone: "Elvynn Forest"(<-- dropdown menu) Confirmed Nodes: 12
    Nodes received via sharing: 9
    | Nodes | Ignorelist | (<-- tabs) |store information about ignored nodes| (<-- checkbox)
    Herbs: Location: Gathered by:
    Peacebloom 12;45 Yourself (3x)
    .
    .
    .

    Ore:
    Khorium Vein 99;99 Sammythescammer
    Copper Vein 15;50 Freddy
    .
    .
    .
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rightclick on a node to share it, Alt+rightclick to put it on your Ignore list
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    After alt-rightclicking on the Khoruim vein:

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    Gatherer Report Ignored Nodes: 1
    Zone: "Elvynn Forest" Confirmed Nodes: 12
    Nodes received via sharing: 8
    | Nodes | Ignorelist | |store information about ignored nodes|
    Herbs: Location: Gathered by:
    Peacebloom 12;45 Yourself (3x)
    .
    .
    .

    Ore:
    Copper Vein 15;50 Freddy
    .
    .
    .
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rightclick on a node to share it, Alt+rightclick to put it on your Ignore list
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    looking @ the Ignorelist:

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    Gatherer Report Ignored Nodes: 1
    Zone: "Elvynn Forest" Confirmed Nodes: 12
    Nodes received via sharing: 8
    | Nodes | Ignorelist | |Remove all ignored nodes| (<-- button)
    Herbs: Location: Gathered by:

    Ore:
    Khorium Vein 99;99 Sammythescammer
    .
    .
    .
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rightclick on a node to share it, Alt+rightclick to UNignore the node, Strg+Rightclick to completely remove the Node from your Database
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Formatting is a bit off, sorry :(
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeFeb 25th 2007 edited
     
    Ok, nice one. But we have to be sure we count out abuse. So I think that each person indeed needs to agree manually for such a remove. So you say: fake and send it along, but your friend still needs to say yes-no. (I also think that if it is done otherwise, it is against the EULA and TOS)

    Having a number of nodes of which I know are not correct (because of the bug that to bad sneaked in a few weeks ago and shifted things around) is btw the soul reason I agreed to it. (Why else should it be needed). And I have heard of people making special addons just to annoy Gatherer people, so that is another reason.

    But in the end, as usual: What do the main developers think?
    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2007 edited
     
    Ok, it would be possible to wipe the Database of your guildies by sending them a complete Database, only with "ignore these" messages...

    hmmm...

    A checkbox would be a possibility, but who likes checkboxes that pop up during boss fights? I don't...

    perhaps store who sent you that "ingnore node xy" and give the opportunity to undo all changes via alt-shift-klick...?

    like

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Gatherer Report Ignored Nodes: 1 (1 via sharing)
    Zone: "Elvynn Forest" Confirmed Nodes: 12
    Nodes received via sharing: 8
    | Nodes | Ignorelist | |Remove all ignored nodes| (<-- button)
    Herbs: Location: Gathered by: Ignored from:

    Ore:
    Khorium Vein 99;99 Sammythescammer Bobby (via sharing)




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    Rightclick on a node to share it, Alt+rightclick to UNignore the node, Strg+Rightclick to completely remove the (ignored) node from your database
    Alt+Shift+Rightklick on a node to UNignore all same named nodes, Strg+Shift+Rightklick on a node to remove all same named (ignored) nodes from your database
    Alt+Shift+Rightklick on a name to UNignore all ignored nodes received via sharing from that user, Strg+Shift+Rightklick on a name to remove all (ignored) nodes received via sharing from that user
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Off course the Ignorelist and sharing ignored nodes should be optional (like sharing) and I don't know the exact Database Format from gatherer (if it could work like this without having to change the database again) but this would be the optimum for a future gatherer-report feature IMHO.

    :whorship: Oh please please dear developers, tell me what do you think about this idea?
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2007
     
    i think the devs have already established that they won't support sharing full databases, so your second idea won't really work. the idea itself may be feasible, but one of the gatherer devs will have to weigh in as to whether it's one they want to include.
    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2007
     
    The problem isn't that gatherer would share a complete database (you can cancel that "rightklick on a node to share it"-Fearture if you like :tooth:) but the problem is, that there are some not so nice people out there who try to break well-known Addons.

    And yes, you can easily destroy someones Gatherer-Database by using some sync addon and a "custom" database, full of spoof data.
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2007
     
    i understand the problem. i'm saying that the devs aren't going to support sharing a full database, even if its purpose is to undo synced node problems.

    i believe they've already thought about implementing a way to ignore the nodes synced from a particular problem user, so that is one possibility. i'd like to suggest we wait for one of them to weigh in on their current thoughts.
    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2007
     
    Aye!

    *lights a fire and starts to roast some marshmallows*
    • CommentAuthorEsamynn
    • CommentTimeFeb 26th 2007
     
    The ability to remove nodes shared by a specific user will be implemented. A blacklist will likely be created to go along with that as well. At this point it is unlikely that we will support sharing in this level of detail. While DB management tools along these lines may make it in in the future, they definately aren't going to be put in for 3.0

    I have bookmarked this thread for future reference.
    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeFeb 27th 2007
     
    /cheer Esamynn

    Thanks, that's all I wanted to hear for now, I understand that you want to release a stable gatherer first and just wanted to give some input on how I'd like a future implementation of "gatherer report".

    btw: Netherbloom + Nightmare Vein *cough* :devil:
    • CommentAuthorSunhead
    • CommentTimeFeb 28th 2007
     
    :devil:
    hmm, to Blacklist or to Whitelist ??
    Occurs to me that a popup " Accept Gathers from %t" might be in order,
    answer no and add to Blacklist?
    answer yes add to Whitelist?

    hmm, automatically blacklist ppl on ignore list?

    :peace: :rainbow:
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeMar 1st 2007
     
    @Sunhead. Your suggestion is basically a nice one, but could again irritate by having to click share / not share. but on the other hand you can set Gatherer to not getting data from others (If I'm correct).

    And auto-blacklist? Hmm, no. It might be that I just don't want to have data from a certain peep atm (for some reason other than crap data). So that would mean that you should have the choice between: no (add to Blacklist), ignore (don't add to blacklist, but also don't do anything else) and yes (add shared data) (I hope you see the difference for the yes, since that is the difference between your "yes" and my "ignore" ;-)> )
    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeMar 2nd 2007
     
    Please no popups...

    Error messages are annoying enough and popups just seem to pop up especially when you have to be on your toes (<-- Priest)

    Blacklist/Whitelist - okay, but no "confirmation" each time someone in my guild or party gathers something.
    • CommentAuthorSunhead
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2007
     
    Sure sure,
    just going through ideas,
    I suppose a manual blacklist/whitelist system would be plenty workable.
    Set your own option, use Blacklist OR use Whitelist, then just edit it in a ui based editor like a friends list.
    Would be nice to keep a date on when the listing occured too.
    I get the anti popup bias (<-- Shaman / Priest)
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2007
     
    Posted By: SukrimPlease no popups...

    Error messages are annoying enough and popups just seem to pop up especially when you have to be on your toes (<-- Priest)

    Blacklist/Whitelist - okay, but no "confirmation" each time someone in my guild or party gathers something.

    Auctomatic things are prohibited by Blizzard. So if you want to do this and within the Eula / ToS of Bliz, you have to do it via a popup. You as user have to make the decision and not some bot. (That is why Bliz is against automatic decisions, the Gold-farmers spoiled it).

    But I agree it should be as userfriendly as possible. So maybe an edit-list, where you manually add/remove people to the blacklist or ignorelist, is possible (that should be within the Eula/Tos). But not automatic blacklisting.
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2007
     
    Nem, i think you are confused. we already automatically add new nodes when a guildmate or partymate shares a new node with you. there is no confirmation dialog.
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeMar 3rd 2007 edited
     
    I meant things like BottomFeeder did: Autobuy. And I think that Auto-blacklist a person and so on, would also count against that or am I wrong? That is why I thought that a popup or edit-list would be unavoidable.
    But if I'm wrong :cry: ofcourse correct me :wink:
    • CommentAuthorSukrim
    • CommentTimeMar 4th 2007
     
    Well, perhpas kind of a feature like Karma (http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1969) It automatically keeps track of all people you'r grouped with - you can edit their karma later, you can write notes while scanning the AH and so on.

    There is no confirmation dialogue, but you have to set their karma-value manually.

    Thats what I'd like to see in Gatherer too - a list of people who shared, a list of WHAT they shared and a function to ignore/remove nodes - doesn't have to be on the fly via popups, I can look through my database while scanning the AH...

    Perhaps even implement some "security filters" in a future release (no crystals outside un-goro, no ore or herbs with needed skill >100 in starting areas, no stranglekelp in the burning steppes...) but that would be some major work.
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007
     
    Hmm that looks indeed like a nice feature. But how to combine it with Gatherer... could be difficult, since how do you find out if somebody is spamming bogus-data, until to late.

    It looks like it is something to combine with Watcher (or CensusPlus) (and with this I mean the original Karma addon). Hmm, will think about adding it to my addon-stack. Thanx for pointing it out.
    • CommentAuthorSunhead
    • CommentTimeMar 5th 2007 edited
     
    Hmm,
    think we got a bit off course here...
    I cant expect Gatherer to keep track of everyone who has ever transmitted what info to me,
    that would lead to massive data bloat in most guilds I know of. :shocked:

    I assumed that Gatherer only kept the last person to touch the node, (and tell me about it of course)
    meaning ppl who are sending bogus data will be easy to get rid of,
    as no-one else can touch that node as it doesn't exist.
    :cool:
    So to be honest,
    :thumbup: I think the main thing needed is a Blacklist feature,
    :thumbup: along with node removal feature, both by username and individual _node_.
    :thumbup: Option to see a Gather message saying Blacklisted, eg. "Gather from %Blacklisted% Refused - Blacklisted"
    :thumbup: and option of replying saying you have been Blacklisted would be nice too. eg "Gather to %Myname% Refused - Blacklisted"
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      CommentAuthorNorganna
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2007
     
    As far as I envision it, there will be a report that lists:

    Person who sent you nodes, Number of nodes sent, Number of nodes confirmed/accurate, Blacklist checkbox, Delete all unconfirmed nodes button.

    So something like this:
    Character Received Verified Blacklist Delete Nodes
    Norganna 24 10 [ ] [Remove]
    Badguy 112 0 [x] [Remove]


    This may of course change between now and implementation, but I think this should be sufficient to address everyone's concerns.
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      CommentAuthorNemelis
    • CommentTimeMar 7th 2007
     
    Another idea in line with the suggested remove button: a delete option for any node, not just for received nodes.

    The reason being that I don't want to trow away my Gatherer data (I have to much), but, as can be read in other posts, there was an issue that some nodes got shuffeled all over the world (especially Ungoro Crater nodes). I have not yet found a real way to delete wrong nodes, I tried by editing the data for the Exotar area, although it did remove all Ungoro stuff from there I still saw a lot of mine- and some herb-icons there after the reloading the game (where I was sure I deleted all for that area).

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