First allow me to congratulate you on the most awesome update in recorded history. The difference between Auc4 and AucAdv is like Aspect of the Cheetah and Armored Netherwing Drake with Riding Crop.

Now then, on to the feedback:

-Tooltip-
It would be nice to be able to configure the tooltip much like you could in Auc4. I'm sure this is on the ToDo list, so here's what I would like to do with the tooltip:
--Show "Suggested Price for your x stack: <price> bid, <price> BO".
If stack is > 1, on a new line underneath the above: "Suggested Price per unit: <price> bid, <price> BO".

I think many would appreciate this, as it is a format we are familiar with.

--The ability to hide information from the tooltip, for those of us who like a minimalist display.

-Configuration-
--Accessing the configuration from the sidebar-thingy Gatherer already uses would be a big plus.

-Appraiser-
--Returning to the system of drag and drop auctions to the posting frame is probably impossible (or un-desired by the development team), but still. I do not recall whether or not the list is sorted alphabetically, but either ways I often find it more difficult to find the item in the list than in my bag.
--The transparent window on the right hand side is extremely difficult to read for me. It's strata seems to be way too low, so it is overlapped by the two right action bars in the Blizzard UI, also the Clock addon from Cosmos overlaps it.
What I would suggest is either increase the frame strata to make it overlap anything else, or (better yet) move the information onto the main window (it barely fits into the window on a 1280x1024 resolution). At least having an option to move this information to the main Appraiser window would be very much appreciated.


/end
I apologise if any of the above is blatantly obviously on the ToDo list already.

This may seem like a lot of whining for a product that's barely out of internal development phase, but making a 40,000 word post about how the rest of the addon is made of awesome doesn't help you improve it.

In closing, I would like to reiterate that you did an excellent job on this addon.


//peace

First allow me to congratulate you on the most awesome update in recorded history. The difference between Auc4 and AucAdv is like Aspect of the Cheetah and Armored Netherwing Drake with Riding Crop.

Well, AucAdvanced has some cool looking Gui Modules. The modules however are not AuctioneerAdvanced. They are merely satellite addons that utilize the framework provided by Auctioneer advanced.

Bear in mind that while this may seem indistinct to you as an end-user, from a development point of view, I've been working on the framework for the last 8 months, and whipped up Appraiser in about 3 days. CompactUI took a bit longer at about 5 days. The stats modules were also about a day to 2 each. The gui niceties are certainly some nice eye-candy, but they are certainly not the focus for me.

Obviously as an end user, they are the primary focus of your attention, and you couldn't really give 2 hoots about this "framework" thingamajig.

My primary focus here was to develop a superior framework which can be (wait for it) extensible, by less experienced, more enthusiastic authors.

Unfortunately, the superior framework would be less than useless if nobody uses it, so the question was: What is the minimum necessary to get people using AuctioneerAdvanced, and get developers working on cool new features and converting cool old ones?

The answer was:

A complete, rock-stable, fully functional, modular and extensible core framework.
Better basic statistics than the current Auctioneer 4, but not as good as it can be.
An auction posting interface that meets or exceeds the current Auctioneer 4 posting interface.
Some eye candy for the users, because well you guys seem to like that kind of thing, who knows eh?
Enough rough, unfinished GUI stuff to encourage other developers to take an ownership in the new code base.

This is what I hope has been provided, and from this point, I want other developers taking a bigger role in fleshing out AuctioneerAdvanced's future. I'm not the Lead Developer, or even one of the core programmers anymore. I'm just the one crazy person idiot enough to see a better way of doing things and spending 9 months of time I should have been playing WoW to build it on the premise that: If I build it, they will come.

If AuctioneerAdvanced fails from the seeds that I've planted, well it probably wasn't meant to be, and I will have learned a serious lesson.

All your suggestions are great, and I'm sure most of them will be implemented in the fullness of time.

--Accessing the configuration from the sidebar-thingy Gatherer already uses would be a big plus.

This *should* be working at the moment, however the version of DongleStub used in Astrolabe (which in-turn is used in Gatherer) seems to be incompatible with nSidebar's revision of DongleStub. I am currently in the process of rewriting nSidebar (and other embeddable libraries that we maintain) to use our own new nStub loader instead, since this DongleStub thing has bitten us a couple of times now, and also it is much more complex than what we need.

--Returning to the system of drag and drop auctions to the posting frame is probably impossible (or un-desired by the development team), but still. I do not recall whether or not the list is sorted alphabetically, but either ways I often find it more difficult to find the item in the list than in my bag.

It's sorted by quality, then by name.

--The transparent window on the right hand side is extremely difficult to read for me. It's strata seems to be way too low, so it is overlapped by the two right action bars in the Blizzard UI, also the Clock addon from Cosmos overlaps it.
What I would suggest is either increase the frame strata to make it overlap anything else, or (better yet) move the information onto the main window (it barely fits into the window on a 1280x1024 resolution). At least having an option to move this information to the main Appraiser window would be very much appreciated.

I'll look at the strata thing, but unfortunately, we are trying to cram a lot of information into a little space. We did have it all crammed on the main window initially. Believe me, it was *CRAMMED*... and ugly.

As soon as I iron out the bugs however, I'm on hiatus. Gonna level me a character above 60.

first off, it's bloody good!

secondly make the compactUI a default as i feel its very important to the entire functionality of aadv, and anyone whos interested enough to download it will want it on

thirdly - give us a SCAN NOW and PAUSE SCANNING button on the Browse panel


keep up the awesome work

Just Feedback

Using Auctioneer 4 with its Bottomscanner as usual. Added Auct Adv 2137 to begin accumulating its scan data (overwrote its bttmscanner with the old one). Noticed while doing a regular bottomscan (no auctioneer scanning running--live scan I guess) whenever a UI refresh or doing an item search the Auct ADV blue font in chat would say scan halted and list new, unchanged, time scanned, etc. It was accumulating new auctions while bottom scanning--even assigning a percent to them. Just now put on Auct adv 2166 and it doesnt do that anymore...The new items are still new and no percent assigned.
Was thinking to put 2137 back on, for now at least havent used Auct Adv for anything else beyond scanning. This was great for building the new database while bottomscanning.

I know the Search tab isn't implemented yet, but does that mean you can't search at all?
The most used (and profitable) functionality for me was the "percentless" and "bidbroker" type searches.

Very interesting new version. I like the fact I can automatically set it to post say full stacks of 10 regardless of how many i have (and not post lose remainder).

One thing auct4 didn't have which I would love in this new version is to be able to set it to use my fixed price as the market value. So if i set copper bar at 5s each fixed and enable the option, and search for copper bars. Those below my fixed price will be <100% and those above would be >100%. I know i should know my own prices but when you buy and sell a diverse amount of goods...well.

Annoying thing which is probably because its not the full release yet is no ALT+Click Item=Search for item. Is this auc4 feature planned for 5?

And finally a question is the scan goods option which enabled you to search out bargains now seems to be integrated with browse. But this limits the bargain hunt to one page at a time? Is similar functionality available or planned? ETA: Seems to have been answered above, in which case disregard this question!

Thanks very much for your efforts on this, Auctioneer is by far the best add-on for WoW.

I'm sure over time this addon will turn out to be a great addon, like the old Auctioneer.
Right now there are just too many "rough edges" that prevents me from dropping the old Auctioneer, like:
- No search feature.
- No "Remember price" option.
- The constant 8-line chat spam is >really< annoying. After a full scan it's ok, but not for every page you browse in the AH.
- <Alt>-click no longer put an item up for sale. I don't know if there's another way to do it here, other than dragging it from your inventory.

I really like this new Auctioneer and am also aware that it's still under construction and is beta right now. I just want to mention something that someone else above also mentioned about the tooltips no longer displaying the deposit cost. I've tried to look through the code in BottomScanner and it seems like the code is there, just not yet implemented so I'm assuming that it's going to be added in the future unless there's some option to enable it that I'm unaware of? If not, is there some quick and simple code I can add to one of the files to display this information? It really helps when just browsing the market manually to know what you should pickup and what to avoid due to high deposits.

Appreciate all the hard work you guys have been putting into this, an awesome piece of software.

Okay I posted a Trac ticket here, hopefully the info I provided is sufficient: http://www.auctioneeraddon.com/scm/ticket/1712

I'm happy to second (or third, or fifth) the positive feedback as to the look and feel of Appraiser in the new Auctioneer Advanced. If I was technically capable of looking under the hood at the improved code and data structures, I'm sure I would give you positive feedback there as well.

It seems that a few features I used have changed or are missing. Perhaps I can figure out new ways to do what I want to with the new version, if I explain how I use Auctioneer and Enchantrix:

1. I have fixed prices set for all disenchant materials (dusts, essences, shards). These are the base prices at which I value these items. As you probably know, the market price can fluctuate from day to day and week to week. When that happens, I ride the market price up in my listings, but never list below my base price. In other words, I have a fixed price that I want to "remember" for items, but 95% of the time I never list things at that price.

2. A few months ago I modified my version of Enchantrix to use my Auctioneer fixed prices when calculating disenchant values. This way, the disenchant value given for an item is always referenced to my "base" price. If I can bid and win an item at that price, disenchant it, and sell the mats at my base price, I should break even (minus the 5% fee) on average.

3. Now in practice, I never bid up to the price Enchantrix gives me. This yields a set amount of profit (on average) on each item I buy to disenchant. Later, when I sell that item above my base price, I get additional profit on the sale.

For example, I value these items at the following:
Illusion Dust: 2g
Greater Eternal Essence: 8g50s
Large Brilliant Shard: 6g80s

Based on those values, Enchantrix tells me that (required to wear) level 51-55 armor items have a disenchant value of 5g5s. On any given day, I can go into the auction house and bid up to 4g or so on any 51-55 items, and be guaranteed (on average) a gold of profit per item. Then, once I have the materials to auction, I see the market prices and list accordingly. For example, Illusion Dust is selling at 3g5s today on my server, so I'm making an additional gold profit on each dust I sell. That doesn't mean I want to forget my 2g "base" price for illusion dust; the price for Illusion Dust on my server was 2g20s last weekend and I'm sure it will go down next week. If I try to chase the market in my biddings, I'll end up behind every downturn.

Fixed prices seem to work differently in Appraiser. For one thing, if I have a fixed price for something, I can't seem to list that item at any other price without destroying the fixed price. In the old Auctioneer, I could list at a different price, and as long as the "Make fixed price" box was unchecked my old fixed price would remain intact, unharmed.

Now, I don't need to use the "Auctioneer fixed price" to do this. Some sort of "reference price" setting would work just fine. Just let me tell Auctioneer a price for an item, and then have that price visible somewhere when I list that item for sale. If that item is a disenchant material, have that reference price be used in disenchant calculations. (Actually, I only care about disenchant materials. I don't bother with anything else in the auction house any more.)

Is something like this already available in AuctioneerAdvanced and the Appraiser interface? Or perhaps should it be added to the suggestion list? Or does no one else do anything like this?

Much thanks!

Posted By: dineshEnchantrix has a "fixed price" options dialog that lets you fix a price for all d/e reagents. these prices are then used for all enchantrix d/e calculations. this should do exactly what you want.

Aye, thanks! I just found this and am going to play with it. This sounds much better than the hack I had before. It took me most of a day to modify Enchantrix the last time, and I was then stuck on the same version for months. Thank you for putting in exactly the feature I need!

Posted By: dineshcompletely separately, you're right, the "fixed price" portion of appraiser behaves subtly differently than it did in auc4. there is no longer a checkbox, which has good and bad points. you never have to remember to set it, it always remembers your last fixed price. but that price also seems to disappear if you ever post an auction using a different pricing mechanism, then try to switch back. and there's no way to keep your regular fixed price, but price something differently, just this once. no promises, but maybe we'll fiddle with this going forward.

Reading the boards, it seems that most people didn't like the old behavior, and asked for something closer to the new behavior. Fair enough; my need is an outlier. For now I'm continuing to use the old auctioneer to post auctions so as to avoid this issue.

again, please guys, DO NOT ENTER TRAC TICKETS UNLESS YOU ARE ASKED TO DO SO. I do not know how to be more clear about this.