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    • CommentAuthorheilrath
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    On the two screenshots you can see what happens to me regulary. I klick Match competion, but it rises the price?! It's now even farer away from that competing seller? Sometimes it rises too when there is no competing seller at all...


    And for someting different: When I only scan and bottomscan once and I buy some items and i want to use appraiser imediately, there is one strange thing happening. since those sellers i bought my items from are still in the database I'm competing against them, also I know there not there anymore, because i just bought it from them. so i have to scan once again before selling.
    why is an entry from the seller i bought the item from not automaticly removed?

    Greetings,
    Peter.
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    • CommentAuthorRockSlice
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    Regarding matching behaviour, make sure to check your settings. Default is to match any competition within +/- 10% of the baseline price, and the competition is currently ~50% below the baseline, so would get ignored.
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007 edited
     
    right now, if match can't match the lowest, it is instead increasing to your highest. this probably shouldn't happen. please create a ticket for this.

    if there is no competition (or if all competition is above your market), it should increase above your market value. there is a setting that tells it how much to increase at maximum.

    not sure about the buyouts getting removed, please create a separate issue for this.
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      CommentAuthormeridun
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    It took me a while to figure out how this worked.

    Note that it will to undercut the lowest competition that is within the range you allow it. If it is unable to undercut any auctions, it will raise the price by the % above market value.

    For example, say that you have Arcane Dust which has a market value of 1.75g and you have undermarket set to 10% , undercut set to 1% and over market set to 10%.

    You decide you want to post this and have Auctioneer check the market. It sees the following unit prices:

    1.25g
    1.5g
    1.6g
    1.7g
    1.8g
    1.9g
    2.0g

    It will look at that and compare these to it's values. Undermarket is 10%, so it can't post for below 1.575 (1.75 * 90%). This means it will ignore the 1.25g and 1.5g competition, but will try to undercut the 1.6g auction by 1%, posting your auction at 1.584g.

    Now, pretend that you have the following list instead:
    1.25g
    1.5g
    1.9g
    2.0g

    Again, it can't match either the 1.25 or 1.5g. However, the 1.9g is above market value, so it will go up to 110% market value according to your settings. 1.75*110% = 1.92g, which is above the 1.9g competition, so it will undercut this competition by 1%, posting your auction for 1.881g.

    Not intuitive, but it actually works pretty well even as currently written. Just don't put your no-competition markup value too high.
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    hmm, that actually makes more sense than what i thought it was doing. not sure if I agree it's what we should be doing. need to think on it more.
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      CommentAuthormeridun
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    Something that I find to be VERY useful is to synch up your PriceLevel colors to your Match Competition settings. This means that make sure you set both of them to use the same pricing model and then do the colors as follows:

    Blue: < Discount value for purchase
    Green: >= Discount Value and < Max Undercut
    Yellow: >= Max Undercut and < Market Value
    Orange: >= Market Value and < Max Over Market
    Red: >= Max Over Market

    This way you can look at the competition window and see at a glance if you should even consider posting your item or hold off for a more favorable day.
    • CommentAuthorRockSlice
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    Slight clarification on Meridun's explanation on the workings of match-undercut:

    1) First step is to increase the price by the max above.
    2) It looks at competing auction #1 and figures out the undercut price.
    3) The price is set to this undercut price only if it is less than the price it has already, and is at least the minimum price possible. (It also ignores your own auctions, so you don't wind up undercutting yourself)
    Then it repeats 2-3 for the rest of the competing auctions

    This means that it doesn't need to worry about sorting the price list first.

    My reasoning for having it go up by the max in the case of no competition was: that price is the maximum you're willing to post at above the baseline, limited only by the presence of competition.
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      CommentAuthormeridun
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    I normally have bottomscanner turned on when I'm refreshing the competition tabs, so I *am* prompted to buyout competition that is lower than my discount threshold.
    • CommentAuthortestleK
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     

    My reasoning for having it go up by the max in the case of no competition was: that price is the maximum you're willing to post at above the baseline, limited only by the presence of competition.


    So I have tried to write my post for this four times and keep undoing it because I'm very timed and not sure if its making sense to the world out there haha but here goes try 5:

    It works like it should....

    If you are willing to sell your item at 10% above market when there is competition at 10% above market then why in the world would you no be willing to sell at this price when there is no competition at all?

    If your match competition is set to 70% for example and people are posting at say 55%, you would still want to post at 10% above market because noone is posting in your range, then you want to go buy those items at 55% are re-list them... If this method is something that is not working for you, something, somewhere needs adjusted. I could be wrong but I really believe this module is excellent, its simple and does what seems logical- Although the ability to slighty adjust a match price change would be nice without it toggling to fixed, if I change the price of something while match price is checked it should assume the valuation module is correct and the change is simply for a market spike therefore- dont fix the price) In fact this little option would fix a couple other things I have read / posted about in other threads :P
    • CommentAuthortestleK
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    Posted By: meridunI normally have bottomscanner turned on when I'm refreshing the competition tabs, so I *am* prompted to buyout competition that is lower than my discount threshold.


    I think you posted this in response to my statement in my post before I deleted it to re-write it :P anyway I basically said the same thing again in this post except its not in "wow down me tired want play" speak
    • CommentAuthorKinesia
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2007
     
    Hmmm.... Still, in high volume markets I'd prefer to post at my lowest level if there is competition because chances are that even if I can't undercut the current stuff that someone else will post things at market price after they are bought out and I want my auctions to be "next in line", whereas with the current system it depends very very highly on the prices other people have set and probably makes it "gameable".
    Of course in _really_ high volume markets there will be auctions set at every possible price point and so it'll do exactly what I want simply because the sample range is so large.
    • CommentAuthorsflorack
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2007
     
    Posted By: meridunSomething that I find to be VERY useful is to synch up your PriceLevel colors to your Match Competition settings. This means that make sure you set both of them to use the same pricing model and then do the colors as follows:

    Blue: < Discount value for purchase
    Green: >= Discount Value and < Max Undercut
    Yellow: >= Max Undercut and < Market Value
    Orange: >= Market Value and < Max Over Market
    Red: >= Max Over Market

    This way you can look at the competition window and see at a glance if you should even consider posting your item or hold off for a more favorable day.


    I am so not a math guru... A little help understanding this concept would be greatly appreciated! :D

    Assuming I have set MAX UNDER MARKET at 20%, and MAX OVER MARKET to 20%; are these the appropriate settings?

    Red 120% (don't sell)
    Orange 100% (can sell but below market value)
    Yellow 80% (sell, below market value)
    Green 75%

    The Green value is where I get confused. Is 75% the value I want when I have undercutting set at 5%? I don't understand having five colors when it seems 4 would work in this scenario..?
    • CommentAuthortestleK
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2007
     
    I don't understand having five colors when it seems 4 would work in this scenario..?


    Another option you have is doing something like this:

    red > 120% -- prices to high way above market and you cannot match because its above your 20% over limit
    orange > 105% -- Over market 'sweet spot' so im gouging at this price and is matchable
    yellow > 95% -- within the markets sweet spot, matchable
    green > 80% -- lower than market but matchable (above your under 20% setting)
    blue > 0% -- forget trying to match it ( you can't ), consider going to buy it and resell it (ideally price to sell in the yellow zone)

    Basing these off your +/- 20% figure and my 'sweet spot' of +/- 5% figure. by sweet spot I mean if when I view these auctions the majority are within this zone most of the time that this is a pretty stable price point and I can assume that my data is near accurate for the true market value within 5%+/-

    This is something I'm experimenting with now for settings however I'm not using 20% matching +/- I'm using +7% and -14% at the moment. (just set this up only one posting under this so not sure the outcome Simply holding onto it if I cant post within those ranges because people are below the 14% range... no idea how this is working out yet need a bit more time with this experiment. I'm also experimenting with a min pct discount of 45% - 75% depending on my mood and 45% gives me 31% profit if i can sell above my green zone.

    the reason I use blue with a 0 - 79% in this example is I want to know at a snap if my numbers are not on par for the item or if theres a possible deal there (even if it doesn't fit into my btm settings for btm to pickup as it might not, I'll buy regent for less discount due to no deposit costs and pricing stability - this could also apply to herbs or any other item that you 'know the market' on and allows you to easily spot values outside of btm (hrm I think I said that already)

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    I hope I typed this out correctly I am very tired so really not sure lol
    • CommentAuthortestleK
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2007
     
    Assuming I have set MAX UNDER MARKET at 20%, and MAX OVER MARKET to 20%; are these the appropriate settings? keep in mind, color coding doesn't effect how the addon functions or the math in determining anything. The pricing colors is what allows you to easily place auctions within a range. There is no one size fits all setting for this its expected to be unique to however its going to help you with pricing things out faster. So if your posted example works well for you stick with it and ignore what others are using unless you think it would be more beneficial to you.

    To answer one of your questions:
    I am so not a math guru... A little help understanding this concept would be greatly appreciated! :D

    The idea behind the rest of that quote is that setting up these color points against your settings for bid / buy / min discount will do three major things for you. A) allows you to think based on how you set AADV to think. This is VERY important. if you don't know what your settings are they will undoubtedly not work for you. B) now that you think like your settings does its easy to spot if things are right or if settings need tweaked and you can easily tell where to tweak based off the color. C) Pricing items is alot easier and, for the most part, becomes a glance to make a decision (as long as you trust your settings and are comfortable with your understanding of the market)
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      CommentAuthordinesh
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2007
     
    yes. the key point to understand is that the color coding won't affect anything other than the color each item is highlighted in compactUI and appraiser, and the breakdown #/#/#/#/# display on the left pane of the appraiser window. It does not affect which items are popped as good bargains, or how the Pct/discount is calculated.
    • CommentAuthorsflorack
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2007
     
    Thanks very much for the help. I understood that the color codings were not affecting anything else. Still, it's easier to understand when it's broken down like this. Thanks again.
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