I'll start off the second version of this thread with some techniques I use to make gold with Auctioneer. I mostly buy and resell, while using purchasing for DE as a supplement to my income. I won't go into the DE details, others have already noted the same settings and principles I use for those buys.

The majority of my gold comes by buying and reselling some rep and faction items, mostly Coilfang Armaments, and the Scryer and Aldor faction items (Arcane Tomes, Sunfury Signets, Fel Armaments, Mark of Sargeras). I buy the Tomes and Armaments for anything under 10g, and resell at 14-16g depending on the market. The Arcane Tomes and Fel Armaments have no deposit so there is little risk there, and the deposit for Coilfangs is very low. I put these items up in bulk in 5 stacks, and I often find all my stacks have sold out at once to someone looking to gain rep quickly with those factions.

For the Sunfury Signets and Mark of Sargeras, I buy any in bulk that come to less than 70s each, then resell at 87-97g per 100 stack. I find that players seem to appreciate the 100 stacks because they can easily calculate the price they're paying for each one. I don't usually make a great deal of profit on these, but it passes the time searching for deals when I have nothing else going on at the time.

I also buy the odd rare recipe or armor item for resale, usually found with BtmScan. I make nice gold is by completing Darkmoon card sets, and specifically the Blessings Deck. On my server that deck goes for about 2000g, but I can put it together in less than a week for under 1000g currently. It just takes patience and daily searches of the AH to find the cards I need at good prices.

Finally, like nikeplektrum, I find Sunday to be the best day for buying and selling. You'll get great activity just running BtmScan due to so many auctions going up and once. You can often find great, cheap deals on items you can sell later in the week when activity has died down and supply is lower.

Hope this helps! I've found this thread to be quite helpful and insightful, many thanks to nikeplektrum for starting it and to everyone who has contributed.

When I use BtmScan, most of the time I only run it when not doing a regular AH scan. I find that I get so many hits when I run it while scanning that it takes the scan far too long to finish and my patience wears thin. I usually end up canceling the BtmScan in the middle of it just so it will complete without me babysitting it. I'm sure I could tweak my settings to solve that issue, I just haven't gotten around to it yet. If find it more pleasant to surf the web and let BtmScan run by itself off to the side (I use WoW in windowed mode), I've found some outstanding deals that way.

You might check the previous thread on this topic, or other threads in the forums for further discussion of BtmScan settings, it's a common question.

Posted By: ixmDual monitors comes in handy in that situation haha. You can see what's going on with WoW (BtmScan) and have whatever else open on the other screen.

Yep, that's exactly what I do, when I let BtmScan run on it's own I put WoW on my second monitor on my left. It's sized to perfectly fit that screen. In fact, most of the time I'm at the AH I have it on the 2nd monitor. Works quite well.

Posted By: ixmI'm still convinced I'm doing something wrong. Or perhaps there's already a few people doing it on my realm... but I just did a search with 1g minimum profit, 40%, only came up with 2 hits.

I just made my alt drop a profession and level up enchanting. I'm afraid that I've spent far too much money and won't see any return haha.

Do you scan the auction house with BtmScan on and then just let BtmScan run for a while after that? How long do you usually let it run after that?

Also make sure under the "General" tab in Btmscanner that you set the "Maximum Price" to something high like 50g (default is like 2g). Otherwise you won't receive any hits from btmscanner. This option tells Btmscanner the max price you are willing to pay for an item.

Heehee, that'd certainly do it too!

The way I usually do it is turn on BTM, then I do a sort by price and then start the Auctioneer scanner. This causes it to scan from the beginning to end by price and all of the items the BTM finds will be in the price range between from the beginning until I get to the prices that are over my maximum bid limit. When it gets to the bid limit I know that I can get up and walk away without it asking me if I want to buy anything or not. After playing with BTM for a few weeks, I have finally got mine set with a 1g profit and a 85% discount level for most of the settings. I do have the Vendor setting lower then that. I have the vendor profit set to 50s and the discount level set to about 20%.

I do change these settings depending on the server I am on because of the amount of money I have and what price range of items I am looking for. I started a toon on a server a few days ago, got up to 10s, went to the AH and with very low settings bid on about 15 items for that money. I ended up winning enough that I was then able to bid on 30 items or so and within a week, I have over 20g of stuff on the AH. Adjusting the settings over the times I was on, I moved from lower cost items to items that have a higher bid price and opened up more and more items that I could turn over in the AH.

I have also found that something I will get items that I purchased at a price that is over the real market price, but on average I make good money over the time that I am working the AH.

I guess as the preview for AucAdvanced becomes more mature and people move to it from Classic, that's bound to happen a bit.

When I let BtmScan run with WoW in a window while I surf the net or do other computer tasks, I've found some mighty good deals that way. I've gotten several 300g+ JC recipes for 30g or less and some nice weapons and armor as well. As I stated above, I do some purchase for DE as well, but it's not my bread and butter. I may start to do more if AutoMagic makes DE'ing a less time consuming task.

Excellent fine tuning tips from Deckard, Kinesia and others!

I've been making gold with auctioneer for quite some time and enjoy it very much (I prolly would not be playing WoW so much if these Auctioneer addons would not exist). But I started "auctioneering" with made character, with quite a lot of gold from quests, vendor trash and occasional AH sales. So now I started an "alt" in new realm, where I had to start from scratch. With tips from this (and original thread), it's been a blast!

I picked up mining, gathered 4 or so copper ore stacks while leveling a bit, sold the stack of copper bars to get capital. And then started buying for Disenchanting, starting with 30 silver max buyout and 1 copper / 40% minprofit. First with DE skill 1, progressed to 25, etc.

Selling all with Appraiser, -2% undercut, -15% max undercut and +20% max over.

In addition to DEing, I set Vendor for minprofit 1% and 5 silver - with these settings I even picked up 10 Firewing Signets (Scryer Rep) for 30silver, didn't vendor them of course, but put them back on sale with Appraiser :) I'm up to 20g net sales a day with just few hours played on character, and next up is starting to tune the settings for more serious turnover.

Posted By: DeckardI guess as the preview for AucAdvanced becomes more mature and people move to it from Classic, that's bound to happen a bit.

When I let BtmScan run with WoW in a window while I surf the net or do other computer tasks, I've found some mighty good deals that way. I've gotten several 300g+ JC recipes for 30g or less and some nice weapons and armor as well. As I stated above, I do some purchase for DE as well, but it's not my bread and butter. I may start to do more ifAutoMagicmakes DE'ing a less time consuming task.

Yes, I got very lucky this past week. I bought 3 epic items for about 10g each and numerous blues for very cheap... got a huge resale profit from that.

I'm having more luck fine tuning my disenchant evaluator. Quick questions though, for anyone who can answer: is the minimum discount variable basically saying the item is x% less than the current market value? If so, wouldn't you want that set fairly low since it's really just the amount of profit you get that matters?

Yes i too had a very hard time understanding exactly how the % discount came into play until i had it explained to me in about 3 different ways. for the longest time i had mine set to 1% cause i was thinking "i don't really care what it is discounted at as long as i make at leas Xg from the item" but that was wrong and i lost a lot of gold that way.

that sounds like a good starting point just be sure you don't change your numbers too often or you wont know how exactly its working. I had a problem where i would change my settings every single day, bad thing to do.

Well i`ve read all the posts .. in this section and i cant still have the right solution to make some money and day by day i loose more and more money .. and getting all the items back from the AH and this is really frustration for me now but dont understand that much the Eu realm Economy last days my only 2 proffesion where ... Skinning/Leatherworking after reading there posts i`ve decides to give up Skinning and get Enchanting at least i got atm 238 and the prices at the AH are really really high ... and dont quite know what do to .. or how to set the AH or . Bottom Scanner try`d to sell to sell Arcane Dust .... and after 2-3 hours there was 2 pages of undercutting .. and i really need some help whit Auctioneer my current server is Mazrigos/EU. Sorry for my bad english.

I use 1g min profit with 35% min discount for disenchant. (BtmScanner, DisenchantEval).

I started with min profit set to 1 copper to get heaps for strange dust and other low end materials. Then I gradually moved the min profit up as I my leveled my enchanting skill.

I sell with Appraiser with -2% undercut, -15% max undercut, +20 max over, using either market or WoWEcon prices. I set bid price -10% from buyout.

If my disenchanted materials don't sell one day, it doesn't matter, on the other day they will sell. And there is no deposit, and I never undercut the market more than -15% (-25 for bid price). So buying with 35% min profit, I always end up profiting.

Some days I only make tens, other day I make hundreds. I have found out the best day for buying is sunday night, just because the volume of sellers is the biggest and people undercut themselves to oblivion (and that's when I buy, and sell'em back at week).

With BTM scanner you press play to start it, then go and run a full scan.
Normally it looks at only new posts, you need to scan normally to tell it to look at other stuff.

My super-secret: If Time is Money, friend, I gotta tell ya, Information buys a heck of a lot of time.

I've made a crapton by being "in the know" before most players are.
I bought a bajillion jaggal pearls when they were 10s each, void crystals when they were 1g each, so on and so forth.

Here's what I paste in the google search box (and I usually add "enchanting" or "changes" or some such):
"patch 2.4" site:norganna.org OR site:worldofraids.com
OR site:wowwiki.com OR site:wowhead.com OR site:wowdb.com
To quickly check if something is worth buying (but I've not yet seen), I have a few Firefox-friendly quicksearches (can IE do the same? I'm too lazy to check)
wowecon.com, Dalaran-Alliance, by item idhttp://data.wowecon.com/?type=price&faction=A&server_name=Dalaran&wow_id1=%s
wowecon.com, Dalran-Horde, by item namehttp://data.wowecon.com/?type=price&server_name=Dalaran&faction=H&item_name=%s
allakhazam, servers-wide price, by item idhttp://wow.allakhazam.com/db/price.html?locale=enUS;source=live;witem=%s

What is DE and what does prospect do? Also where do I configure the vendor settings? Thought I disabled all but I still get vendor popups, not always a bad thing but where to change it:S

I started with 4g from copper selling (mining myself) then switched to buying it midweek and then selling it on weekends. Quickly gained 100g. After the 1000g barrier I now get about 60g a day when I place auctions. I only buy recipes and enchanting dust at this moment.
Currently experimenting with disenchanting+selling the dust since that is cheap material!

Great tips bunny! Good to see you back, too.

You need to show us more of the config screens to make it easier to figure out what you are showing us...

Neither of those config screens you showed are allowing bids or buyouts, that would be why you aren't getting prompts from btm during a scan with btm on

whats the pic of the bag supposed to show me? that looks like some good arcane worth some money...

mattbnr's right and I didn't catch it because mine is very high but without seeing how much gold you have available that might be part of the problem (reserve amount being above your current gold amount)

Menora - with so many arcane dusts you can almost set the price for your realm. Just post all of them in stacks of "1" for 48 hours. If I calculate correctly it's almost 4 full pages of only your auctions. Whatever price you set (just no too high above the market), most people will be too lazy to click "next" button four times, and many people will be too lazy to even click "sort" button. Singles sell a lot better than stacks, but I'm not quite sure why because most good high level enchants require 30-40 of them....

//EDIT: I'm from Darkspear-EU, so economy should be similar to yours

Actually, with Enchanting mats, there's no deposit, so reposting doesn't cost you anything at all.

I'd recommend using DE mats only while starting out if your bank is low, and setting your resale discount settings for BottomScanner very conservatively. Make it 50% or less so you're sure to get good deals on things you buy for resale. As testleK mentioned, you don't have allow bid or buyout checked, so you won't get any BtmScan deals that way.

Also be careful of buying green weapons and armor or other things with low deposits. Experience is really your best friend for those, so over time you'll learn what a truly good deal on green gear is.

As an example, players on my server have started posting all the "of the Owl" green gear at ridiculous prices, so Auctioneer scans will show cheaper ones as good deals when really they aren't. Caveat emptor.

Posted By: AmiroSingles sell a lot better than stacks, but I'm not quite sure why because most good high level enchants require 30-40 of them....

Stacks of 5 sell best for me in terms of volume, which is the most important thing really. Doesn't even seem to matter if they're more expensive than the full stacks and singles.

That, and posting tons of tiny auctions and collecting the ones that expire takes time, which is expensive when you could be making gold in some other way. :)

"By every moron on the server"? If their's is selling, and yours isn't, I'd call that good business practices on their part, rather than being a moron. *shrug*

I automatically ignore users with single posts (large numbers of them) and make my determination to buy based on the remaining auctions...

Posted By: Randall...I don't mind buying stacks of 1 myself, as I'd much rather buy only what I need than buy what I need +4. That's just me though.

lol, I would rather buy the +4 because if I'm buying it, even for personal use, its going to be a deal and I can resell that 4 extra :)

I usually post in stacks of 4 since a lot of enchants use multiples of that.

1 thing which is slightly interesting to look at... If you hold down shift and mouse over enchanting mats (or other stackable items) it now provides the colour breakdown for each different stack size.
In some cases this means you can deliberate undercut people with stacksize 2 and stuff like that.

Posted By: AmiroJust post all of them in stacks of "1" for 48 hours. If I calculate correctly it's almost 4 full pages of only your auctions. Whatever price you set (just no too high above the market), most people will be too lazy to click "next" button four times, and many people will be too lazy to even click "sort" button. Singles sell a lot better than stacks, but I'm not quite sure why because most good high level enchants require 30-40 of them....

Ah, so that's the rationale behind that. As a poster of full stacks I find it VERY annoying tbh. Anyway, atm I just try to buy all these guys out at the risk of getting stuck with huge amounts of dusts though :S

Onyx.

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Posted By: OnyxAh, so that's the rationale behind that. As a poster of full stacks I find it VERY annoying tbh. Anyway, atm I just try to buy all these guys out at the risk of getting stuck with huge amounts of dusts though :S

See? Single stacks sell well :)

Well, I still find it ridiculous really, but I've spammed 60 single stacks of Illusion Dust now to get back at all the jerk-offs doing this :->


motto: whatever they can do, I can do it worse *grin*

Onyx.

Here's something I haven't really thought about much: 24 or 48 hour auctions or a mix of both?

12 hours for gems (too much competition in this market to risk losing a larger deposit)
24 hours for miscellaneous items with significant deposits
48 hours for enchant mats and other items with negligible deposits

Apart from the high level enchant mats, mostly you're selling to twinks and people training up their enchanting, so yeah it does tend to go in waves. That's partly why I switched to spending most of my moneymaking time on Jewelcrafting - much more consistent demand and the overall "profit per click" is a lot higher. The only barrier is the initial investment to get hold of the good patterns.

When I have lots of dust I post a few stacks of each variety, 1,2,3,4,5,10 and 20. This works well because people need dust for enchants. So they do not need 20 dust, only enchanters need 20 dust for themselves. Twinks etc just need 3 or 8 or whatever. I let them combine...

I used to post dusts like this in the past, but not anymore. There is usually at least 4-5 pages of arcane dusts on my realm (even without mine singles ). Now think: if you need to buy just 3 or 4 of them, but first page is full of singles, would you check another page to see if there are any "3"-stacks? Even if so, can you easily judge if (for example) 3 x 1,43g is more or less than 4,31g? Not to mention that if you are 70 for a while, the few silvers is hardly any difference.

So in my opinion only stacks of 1, 20 and maybe 10 have a good chance to sell. Any 2-5 will probably wait a lot longer, but it all depends also on your realm's mood and economy

i think there is still a bug where server side sorting ignores everything past page 4. isn't there?

That's interesting Nine, the Alliance AH on my server runs about 300 pages now on average during the week, up to 350 or so on busy weekends. I believe Horde side is about half of that though, since Alliance is more populous on my server.

Anyone care to divulge which JC designs they flip on a regular basis, if you're into that market? How about recipes from other professions? Is there a particular item you can craft that you have great success in selling for good gold?

I'm that same guy who posted in the last thread and beginning of this one. I'm doing a lot better now, even through all the auctioneer competition on my realm. Here are my tips:

• Illusion dust and Greater Eternal Essences are gold mines. Illusion dust on my realm sells for roughly 2g each, 12-13g per essence. The best part is that a lot of people ignore the value of 51-60 items because of how much Outland items are drastically different. I've often bought 56-60 weapons for 4 or 5g each, and they net you 3-4 essences at 12g each.
  [*]If there's competition on your realm, do regular scans with bottom feeder on if you haven't check the AH in a while. I always do at least one full scan a day, but normally at least 2 scans. Pick times that your competition might be at work/school or sleeping, ie, in the morning or late at night.
  [*]As far as stack size goes, I always sell my stuff in bulk, but at a discount. I'll cut competition by 20% with stacks if they're selling in low numbers, or 10% if they also sell in bulk. It's almost always guaranteed a sale in my experience. I only put them up for 24 hours because if they don't sell in that time, most people have started undercutting you.
  [*]Maybe kind of silly, but I do my disenchanting away from the AH and mailbox, just because I don't want to be pointed out as an obvious Auctioneer user.