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    Just wondering if there is a way for the Add-on to show how many times an item was listed, but was NOT SOLD.

    This will give an idea of how often you can actually expect to sell an item.

    The % that is BO is only a percent of how often the item was actually SOLD, and doesn't appear to include the number of times the Auction simply expired and the item was returned unsold.

    This info could also be used to give a reasonable "cost of sale" amount. (ie if the item was listed 10 times for 1g before it sold, then you can expect to pay 10g in AH fees to sell your item...so you better be making a profit greater than 10g when it DOES sell)


    Another entry just called NS (not sold) with a count would be invaluable...

    At least to me!
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    There isn't a way to tell whether an item sold or not, reasonably. You COULD compare the wait time (very long, long, medium, short) to when it dissapears but that would require you to scan almost constantly to obtain that data. All that auctioneer can tell is that the item was there and isn't any longer.
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    Posted by: Ergzay on Nov 14 2005, 03:17 AM
    There isn't a way to tell whether an item sold or not, reasonably. You COULD compare the wait time (very long, long, medium, short) to when it dissapears but that would require you to scan almost constantly to obtain that data. All that auctioneer can tell is that the item was there and isn't any longer.


    You can also look at the % bidded on field to see what percentage of the time a particular item was bid on. In general, if you've seen it a lot and it's never been bid on, it's probably not a good seller.
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    Posted by: Sepho on Nov 11 2005, 10:11 PM
    The % that is BO is only a percent of how often the item was actually SOLD, and doesn't appear to include the number of times the Auction simply expired and the item was returned unsold.


    I think this initial presumption is wrong, as someone already commented. The server isn't volunteering information about the trades of others. For all that we know, each and every auction could have failed for the last month and the numbers would still remain according to what people are asking for stuff. No way of knowing what someone actually paid for something.

    Almost so at least. Personally I consider the actual done bids the most reliable part of auctioneer information. Any newbie can type in ridiculous price requests in their auctions but if someone had bid something for an item, it actually confirms actual money transfer has taken place and there is a person willing to pay that much for the item. Of course he could just be an alt or friend of the seller recycling money to manipulate the market appearance...

    There is still some point in the original post in the fact that having accurate statistics of all legitimate purchases including exact sales price, time on auction, number of previous bids, confirmation of the fact that the parties have had no veiled secondary transactions etc would make market analysis and honest trading far easier. Then again it would leave me less room to scam people.

    With so little accurate and confirmable information prospering in auction game requires talent and experince. Many people prefer it that way. Or... Maybe someone could write a routine which directly taps into auction server traffic, decodes it and provides us with the same information the company is getting. I think I would enjoy such software at least as long only very few people have it. Hmm... maybe even modifying the values on the way while we are at it...
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    Thank you all for your input.

    The % bidded looks like the best information I'll be able to get.


    If Auctioneer can only tell something is or isn't in the Auction House, how does it determine that a given item was Bought Out or just expired? In short, how can it tell between scans exactly WHAT HAPPENED to a given auction to produce a BO percentage for that item?


    If it is building a list of BO prices and a percent of how many times there was a BO at that price, it must be getting that information back from somewhere.

    Unless, what I am actually reading as a BO % is not the number of times it was bought out, but the number of times that BO price for that item was seen during a scan?

    When I read the FAQ, I thought he BO% was the number of times the item was Bought Out at that price of the total times seen.

    So if I'd seen an item 127 times.
    BO was showing 20g.
    And the BO percent was 80%.
    That would mean 101.6 of the 127 Auctions sold with a BO of 20g.

    Based on what I've read here, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong though.
    How should I read that?
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    Posted by: Sepho on Nov 15 2005, 02:49 PM
    When I read the FAQ, I thought he BO% was the number of times the item was Bought Out at that price of the total times seen.

    So if I'd seen an item 127 times.
    BO was showing 20g.
    And the BO percent was 80%.
    That would mean 101.6 of the 127 Auctions sold with a BO of 20g.

    Based on what I've read here, I'm pretty sure I'm wrong though.
    How should I read that?

    I'd suggest reading the "Basic Auctioneer Usage" post in the Documentation forum, it does a good job of explaining all the different tooltips. But in this case, the %BO number is the number of times that item was seen with a BO, as you don't have to put one in. So if you've seen the item 127 times, BO is 20g and the BO percent was 80, then 101.6 of the auctions actually had a BO. The other 25.4 had no BO.

    Hope that makes sense.

    [EDIT]: Fixed my math (25.4, not 125,4...)
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    Posted by: Gim on Nov 16 2005, 08:14 AM
    I'd suggest reading the "Basic Auctioneer Usage" post in the Documentation forum, it does a good job of explaining all the different tooltips. But in this case, the %BO number is the number of times that item was seen with a BO, as you don't have to put one in. So if you've seen the item 127 times, BO is 20g and the BO percent was 80, then 101.6 of the auctions actually had a BO. The other 125.4 had no BO.

    Hope that makes sense.



    Makes perfect sense.
    I had read the FAQ...however comprehension lagged a tad behind.
    Just made sense to me that the BO percentage was the amount of times it was actually Bought Out.
    I didn't know that Auctioneer doesn't actually get BACK information regarding the status of sold auctions.

    Boy, wouldn't it be sweet if it did...
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    Posted by: Sepho on Nov 18 2005, 05:15 PM
    I didn't know that Auctioneer doesn't actually get BACK information regarding the status of sold auctions.
    Boy, wouldn't it be sweet if it did...


    Couldn't this actually be done somehow? I mean like was suggested back there, could someone code a program to monitor the game server data traffic and note auctioneer users always when someone actually buys out an item? Or would there be legal problems with such a software?
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    Posted by: Guest on Nov 21 2005, 01:23 AM
    Couldn't this actually be done somehow? I mean like was suggested back there, could someone code a program to monitor the game server data traffic and note auctioneer users always when someone actually buys out an item? Or would there be legal problems with such a software?


    First their would be legal problems. Other than that it isn't possible due to the fact this information is never going to your client. If you could eavesdrop on the server and all the clients simultanously yes.. but intercepting the data going between you and the server you wouldn't be able to get that information because it simply isn't transferred.

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