All,

Awesome news, we are now at a point where we can branch a real *Beta* of Auctioneer Advanced.



Eh hem...

As many of you know, the current "Preview" most likely would have been used as the "Release" version in many places. We decided against that, due to many factors, including missing functionality, new functions being added, old functions being tweaked, to put it mildly, and more.

With the impending release of Blizzard's upcoming expansion, the Wrath of the Lich King, we have our eyes set on the prize of having not just the beta version, but a full-quality release version of Auctioneer Advanced ready for use as close to opening day as possible.

Now, this objective will require not only extensive finger bending by the development team, but help from everyone in the community. Though not an all-inclusive list, some of the things we need for "5.1" are:
* Detailed Jira reports from all users delineating the exact sequence of events needed to recreate problems
* More input about how people have been using Auctioneer Classic and Auctioneer Advanced
* Clear, thought out suggestions for how to better the functions that exist within Auctioneer Advanced (Beta)
* Comments and concerns about the User Interface of Auctioneer Advanced (Beta)
* Assistance documenting features, writing guides, and checking help text in-game - not just that there are no spelling errors, but that the text makes as much sense as possible from the beginner's point of view and the experienced user's point of view.
As for "5.2", we will need help with:
* Localization, including zhCN csCZ daDK nlNL enUS frFR deDE elGR itIT koKR ptPT ruRU esES zhTW trTR.
** Note that a lot of preparation must be made and we will make a call for translators when necessary.

As for the ten ton monkey pulling the fiber from your walls at this very minute- many, including nearly all of the development team, have used numerous incarnations of Auctioneer, including Auctioneer Classic. As with the changes from one to two, two to three, and three to four, there are things that were familiar, that we liked, or disliked about the previous versions but the simple fact is that we are moving on to better things. The reasons for this have been stated, restated, listed and recompiled so please, help us move to Auctioneer Advanced in a way that benefits the entire community.

Comments, Concerns, and the use of your brain is most appreciated!

Happy Auctioneering,

Nikk

Hi,

I hope I'm doing right by posting here.

At first I'd like to tell you that AAdv is a great AddOn. After some hickups when I started it the first time I have discovered no real problems. Maybe because I do not have all options turned on, but anyway, it works great for me and I can pick up my career as a salesman again :)

The pricing informations are reliable but I would like to have the "can not undercut lowest price" message in Appraiser more outstanding. Maybe tint it red and/or use a bigger font? I have accidently posted some auctions and was wondering afterwards why I was not undercutting the lowest price - I simply did not notice the warning. And I would like to have this message in the tooltip also ... or is it to be seen equal to the "Disenchant item" suggestion?

The other thing is, when browsing the auctions I would like to have the results not to be sorted alphabetically but by Min-Level ... sure, I can click on the column header to change the sorting, but AAdv does not keep this "setting". When I relog the sorting is back to normal.

Regards,

Smuggl

We minimally modify the default pane, I believe, to allow a couple of things. That may be one of them, but I thought the only sorting we added was sorting by percent.

Posted By: mattbnras far as the under cut thing goes it really don't matter as SOMEONE is bound to undercut you at some point in time. there is nothing you can do about it.

So, do I understand correctly that there is no way to color the message in Appraiser's Side Pane?

Posted By: HirsuteWe minimally modify the default pane, I believe, to allow a couple of things. That may be one of them, but I thought the only sorting we added was sorting by percent.

As far as I could see the sorting is alphabetically by item name. (I don't have WoW running in my office, so I can not check this right now ;) )
But the main point is: it does not keep the sorting (e.g. by Min) after log out.

Regards,

Smuggl

Posted By: KinesiaI sort the main panel by Percent and it seems to remember that fine every time I log in and out.

I know for sure that sorting by buyout price per (ascending) does not get saved across sessions. Pct might be the default sort, maybe?

My standard way of using auctioneer is to identify items of armour and weapons that are both underpriced and in high demand. The key stats I use for this are in auctioneer classic, relating to the bid percentage and price. Now I might have this wrong, but I take those stats to represent the percentage of items that auctioneer has scanned that have a bid on them ( a good proxy for demand) and the average price of that bid ( a proxy for a floor price at which people are prepared to buy the item). I tend to bid/buyout anything that has been bid for more than 5% of the time that is currently offered at less than the average bid price. It makes me money, anyway.

It's probably because of the necessary complexity of AA whilst it is it's beta phase, but I can't identify any similar simple method of identifying item demand or the price that people are willing to pay. I think know that it supplies some figures on items that are scanned and then subsequently missing from scans done before their due expiry date, but although some of these might be bought out, others will have been simply withdrawn.

The numbers around bids are really useful to me. Any plans to include them in the release version of AA would be great.

My comment is that having separate settings for the evaluators in BottomScanner and the searches in SearchUI is confusing. I think it would be better to unify the settings for BottomScanner and SearchUI into a single panel. That way you only have to setup the Appraiser (or resale in searchUI) method or disenchant method once and it works for both BottomScanner and SearchUI. Then, within BottomScanner and SearchUI you would have a panel that allowed you to selectively and independently turn on and off the evaluation (or search) methods for that application. I think this would help to tie the overall package together: BottomScanner and SearchUI would then just be two different user interfaces for accessing AADV's overall function of scanning or saving the AH database. Right now, with BottomScanner and SearchUI having separate evaluator settings, they seem like two separate packages from AADV.

If you're planning to do away with BottomScanner, I suppose that would have the same result and help to reduce some confusion and the overall complexity of the package. I know I haven't used BottomScanner since SearchUI was updated with RealTimeSearch.

Thandril,

There is a Snatch searcher, that should show in the top left window of the SearchUI.

All you need to do is set that up and then select the Snatch Searcher as one of the Searchers to run within the RealTimeSearch.

The time to run that will be about the same as BottomScanner, since the functions are much the same.

Hope that helps,

Nikk

Snatch doesn't show up anywhere in the Search UI. I just installed the latest preview build. Could it be disabled somewhere else?

you can still access the snatch list via the /btm snatch.

Thandril:

Try an "/auc about all" and post the results here.

Do you know how hard it is to capture chat text? :P Three add-ons later (and six tries) and stitching together pieces captured a chat frame a a time (If there's an easy way to do it, I don't know it.)

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as an aside, unless we really need it for some reason (and not saying this isn't one of those times), let's stop asking folks to do an "/auc about all" and paste the results here. it truly is a pain in the ass to do. for that matter, we should maybe figure out a way to sent the results somewhere that they can be cut and pasted.

i would just do a about all enlarge the chat window to show them all and do a ss or 2

The SearchUI Snatch searcher doesn't appear in the public build due to the forced load order the embedding of SearchUI causes. Snatch required Btmscan to be loaded first, which requires AucAdv to be loaded first. As Snatch was loading with AucAdv (as part of the embedded SearchUI module), an error occurred very reliably on load.

As a temporary measure until the dev working on it has a non-btmscan-reliant version of Snatch, the Snatch searcher no longer loads if BtmScan isn't loaded (meaning if you're running a public build)

Thandril,

There is no manual way to enable the Snatch Searcher, since the searcher code is not in the build.

As a workaround, if you need to run Snatch, simply use BottomScanner- you can run SearchUI's RTS and BTM side-by-side, just be sure to disable all evaluators other than Snatch in BottomScanner. You may run into a few items that are listed in a BTM pop up and the SearchUI, if they are both found at the same time, but only one "buy" or "bid"command will succeed, so you will not lose any gold, which is always good.

As previously mentioned, once the developer returns- or someone else picks up the project, and completes the necessary changes, it will then be returned to the build and you can then change up to SearchUI alone.

Hope this clears up any confusion,

Nikk

well, it is over a year old, so yes, it is outdated. I guess I'll unsticky it.